Testimonials

  • "I just wanted to thank you for all that you do. Not only are you my trusted advisor but I consider you a friend and mentor. I think you are a truly special & wonderful person. Truly a one of a kind!"
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client James P.

  • "I just wanted to tell you that my family cannot express what you and the firm did for us. We cannot thank you enough. There are still people in the world that still believe in others, and you believed in us."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Mike T. of Glendale, AZ

  • "Thank you very much for all your help and quick responses to my concerns/questions. I would be happy to refer people to your practice since my experience with you, in particular, has been a very positive one."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Donna A. of Cave Creek, AZ

  • "You are such a knowledgeable and compassionate man in your profession. . . [you are] a man of integrity."
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Susie Y. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "You speak so much truth with great clarity. . . Coming from my heart, great job, I am thankful for you."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Sharon S. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "Thank you so much for helping us out of our situtation . . . You and your staff are everything an attorney's office should be and so much more! I will not hesitate to refer anyone needing an attorney to your office."
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Sheri B. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "I just want to say how grateful I am that however it was that we found you, we found you. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart!"
    From client M.L. C. to attorney Eddie Pantiliat

  • " [The document] is very balanced and I like it very much. . . "
    To attorney David Goldstein from client David G. of Mt. Prospect, IL

  • "Thanks again for all your help in resolving my daughter's case."
    From client Patrick H. to attorney Eddie Pantiliat

  • "I got your [fee] letter today and I REFUSE to sign it. I can't imagine paying so little for SUPERMAN. . . . . . "
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Sharon S. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "You are AWESOME! Eloquent was the word I used to describe your performance at the hearing. . . ."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Dirk H. of Mesa, AZ

  • "You are at 'THEE "TOP of YOUR GAME.' (but I think you already knew that). We just wanted to let you know [how] we felt, personally."
    From client Richard G. to attorney Loren Molever

  • "I can’t recommend more highly the services of Mr. Loren Molever of Hymson Goldstein and Pantiliat , P.C. I received a letter one day finding myself in a defensive posture which could have cost me a tidy sum of money. I immediately called Loren and he assured me that he would handle everything and not to worry. It was a great feeling to know I had nothing to worry about. With Loren helping me I had total confidence and never once felt fear over the situation. He handled everything intuitively, just how I wanted it to be handled. He wrote a letter that impressed me so much, really bringing to light the human element of the matter which I believe is the reason it turned in my favor. To have such a wonderful advocate, who cares, knows me so well and does such a great job……..I can’t find words enough to say thanks! Thanks so much for taking care of me."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Sharon S. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "Thank God I have you guys looking out for my Family! Thank you for all your hard work and efforts!"
    To attorney Eddie Pantiliat and attorney Chad Conelly from client Steve J. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "I wanted to thank you for your help in this matter. I have had some concerns. . . . And you helped me to gain some clarity on my feelings. Your hard work is greatly appreciated."
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Mike W. of Cave Creek, AZ

  • ". . . OUTSTANDING [letter], you [will] never stop impressing me in your professionalism."
    From client Jean - Michel E. to attorney David Goldstein

  • "Just a quick note to express my appreciation to both you and Eddie for your support, patience, and perseverance with this [case]. This was not a BIG case and certainly not high on the priority list, but you treated me like a MILLION BUCKS."
    To attorney Eddie Pantiliat from client Abigail K. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "I just want you to know I appreciate your professionalism, your dedication and hard work with us and for us."
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Danielle C. of Mill Hill, London

  • "The closing process today was painless and I was impressed. Enjoyed the time. You have a wealth of information in a variety of areas and [you're] very intersting."
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Bob F. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "You are great at what you do. No question about it. Your clients recognize it."
    To attorney Irv Hymson from attorney Jeff H. of McMurray, PA

  • "I really appreciate your honesty. . . That's why we turn to cooler heads like yours for opinions."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Joe M. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "This [letter] looks great. . . I appreciate your swift and awesome work on this!"
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Patty G. of Gilbert, AZ

  • "All interactions have been a pleasure and my husband has had nothing but high praise for you. We greatly respect your services and the work you did for us has been invaluable. Thank you for all your help and we look forward to working with you again."
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Veronica C. of Phoenix, AZ

  • "I think this letter is excellent, thank you very much!"
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Joe M. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "I appreciate your help with this matter. . . Now that I know you, I will most definitely return in the future should I need any legal assistance, and I will be sure to drop your name if anyone I come across needs an attorney."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Chris R. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "Thank you very much for your superb counsel with this transaction. It has come to a sucessful close, and we appreciate your help and guidance very much!"
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Margaret D. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "I received your letter to [opposing party]. Way to go, I like the way you get to the issue at hand."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Bob Z. of Phoenix, AZ

  • "[You're] amazing. Thanks. Hope to raise a glass with you soon."
    From client Vic. V. to attorney Loren Molever

  • "Thank you for getting this done so quickly."
    From client Nathan S. to attorney David Goldstein

  • "You were right on the money. Thank you for protecting us!!!"
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Allison A. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "[We] want to convey our thanks to you for your integrity and good common sense. We always know you're straight with us and we really appreciate it."
    To attorney Loren Molever from client Joe M. of Scottsdale, AZ

  • "You are awesome!"
    To attorney Irv Hymson from client Gladys L. of Wickenburg, AZ

  • "You always had a knack for getting [things] done!"
    From client Andre D. to attorney Loren Moever

  • "Thanks, David. Nice job of adding what is essential. I appreciate you."
    From client Suzanne B. to attorney David Goldstein

    • Contact Information

    Hymson Goldstein & Pantiliat, P.C.
    14646 N. Kierland Blvd.
    Ste. 255
    Scottsdale, AZ 85254
    (480) 991-9077
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    • Contract - Not Copyright

    By David Goldstein, Esq.Businesses that use the Internet to market their goods and services often approach our firm to help protect the content and integrity of their sites. We advise them to use all means at their disposal, copyrights, patents, and contracts. A recent decision from the Central District of California highlights the importance of those website Terms and Conditions that no one seems to read.

    In Ticketmaster v. Tickets.com, 2003-1 Copr. L. Dec ¶ 28, 607 (C.D. Cal. 2003), Ticketmaster sued Tickets.com for appropriating information from Ticketmaster’s website. Tickets.com used an electronic “spider” to gather information about Ticketmaster events. The spider would find a relevant website, copy the contents onto random access memory, eliminate the material not in the public domain (such as Ticketmaster’s trademark and unique copy), and copy the material in the public domain (such as the date of concerts, the artist appearing at the concert, and the location, as well as prices and times of the event). Notably the court found that the copied content was not protected by copyright because it was not original to Ticketmaster. The only cause of action that survived was one based on contract.

    The contract arose from a notice posted on Ticketmaster’s website. Ticketmaster placed a notice on the home page of its website warning that anyone going beyond that home page agreed to the Terms and Conditions of the website. Anyone using the web pages beyond the home page agreed that they were only going to use them for non-commercial uses. Ticketmaster claimed that Tickets.com breached a contract formed by clicking to go beyond the home page. That contract claim was the only one that survived a summary judgment.

    The court rejected the notion that uniform resource locators (the website addresses) are copyrightable. It rejected the idea that the momentary copying of material on Ticketmaster’s website that qualified for copyright protection was a copyright violation. It reasoned that the momentary copying of such things as Ticketmaster’s logo and material unique to Ticketmaster into the computer random access memory and subsequent almost instantaneous erasure of that material was a fair use.

    The decision is only by one of the many federal trial courts. More definitive law is yet to be written. The case, however, reinforces the counsel we have been offering to all of our clients: Use all of the means at your disposal to protect your website content.

    We can assist you in drafting terms and conditions for website use and to provide the contractual protection the Ticketmaster court recognized for those clients who use their websites for business-to-business or business-to-consumer sales. We look forward to being of service.

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